Homosexuality, Nature versus Nurture

Posted on February 5th, 2010 in Uncategorized

Ben wrote in his blog about gays in the military and touched on the issue of homosexuality being a choice.  Years ago when I was taking sociology, I  wrote a paper on this subject.  At the same time I was taking psychology, and social anthropology.  Talk about warping someone’s views… Anyway there is an age old debate about nature versus nurture and the issue of homosexuality falls into this category.

I believe that homosexuality is not a choice.  I believe it’s something you’re born with, or at least a predisposition toward.  You can look at a gay guy with raised by a mom and three sisters and say, “See what else would you expect?”  But the majority of male kids raised without a male roll model turn out straight, and the majority of gay men didn’t grow up that way.  I have known a couple of gay guys since elementary school, and they were clearly on the path to being gay way back then.

Did you know that there are only a few things that are common across all known cultures?  Smiling, music, religion of some sort, and homosexuality (there are a few others, but only a handful).  Also the rate of homosexuality tends to be constant, in terms of percentage of individuals who have experienced a homosexual act beyond kids being curious.  It’s at about 5% of a given population.  This is true among all societies.  While our environment can certainly influence our behaviors, it does seem that when it comes to homosexuality, some people are just gay.

I’m not sure why it’s so hard for people to accept this.  To a gay person, being physically attracted to the same sex is as natural as us being physically attracted to the opposite sex.  To be sure there are some who choose to explore the taboo side of it, but they tend to be bi-sexual rather than homosexual.  Some might choose it simply to reject the beliefs that society projects on them, sticking to the man so to speak.

Regardless of the why, homosexuality has always existed.  It exists in all societies, even those tribes in the rain forests that have had very little contact with the outside world.  Even animals participate in homosexuality.   One study done in 1999 found examples of homosexuality in more than 1500 species of animals.  Aprox 500 of these have been well documented, meaning it was just a confused dog.  So it seems clear to me that homosexuality is natural, meaning it exists in nature.  Because of this I think it’s impossible to say someone chose to be gay.  Of course sexuality is a spectrum, not an absolute; and culture does influence behavior, but, for the most part, people are either born gay or they’re not (or somewhere on that spectrum:  see the scene on The Spectrum of Human Sexuality in the movie Hiding Out).

Agree or disagree?

Jahm

this topic could go on and on like Friends reruns


 
fritzthebootlegger

It’s not a choice. They were born that way. Thus, if they love this country and want to serve and defend it, they should be allowed to have that opportunity.

Gay men are not going to want to give fellatio in a foxhole, so I’m not sure why this is even an issue.


 

I’m with you. Not a choice. I don’t know why people are so freaked out about it anyway.

I saw a t-shirt once that said, “I don’t mind straight people as long as they don’t act that way in public.” Heh.


 
thecerebralgarage

Yeah it’s a choice. Yet,the main reason I wrote it is to wonder why the hell it’s going to take an armed services committee 1 full year to research it and then get back to D.C. on it? Yes,some people are hard wired different. But it’s a conscious decision on whether or not to follow that instinct or NOT. If you’d read the whole damn entry which most of you just stop at the first paragraph and then have stroke, you would have read that. See,that’s a CHOICE. Like choosing heads or tails on a coin flip. Also,quite frankly,and I know this is gonna get BB’s G-string tied in a knot around her neck,it’s a moral thing as well.


 
fritzthebootlegger

CB, the only choice is whether or not to have sex, which everyone has. It’s not a choice to determine WHO you are attracted to. If that’s how we are born, and it that’s how nature made us, why should people have to pretend they are something other than how they were born? Is it moral to make them hide their homosexuality? That’s no more moral than hiding your Christianity.

For that matter, being a Christian is more of a choice than being gay. But I’ll bet that fact flies under your radar.


 
fritzthebootlegger

And Ben, I did read your entire entry. The lucid parts, anyway. Some places you kind of jump the tracks.


 

I still want to hear a *valid argument* as to why gay sex between consenting adults is immoral.


 
fritzthebootlegger

Because it grosses Ben out. It brings back too many memories of the locker room at his high school.


 

I’m just saying, I need to hear a better argument that “God is a homophobe.”


 

I don’t think it’s a choice. The tendancy is born… hormons being a bit messed up perhaps. The environment a kid is brought up in could either make the tendancy stronger or maybe keep it in hiding…depending on the individual.

Being hetero, I can’t understand it. With me, it WOULD be a choice because it’s not an inclination. But for the rest, I believe it’s NOT a choice!

The only part of it I don’t like is those gays who really flaunt it! Sometimes they do go overboard. But the rest…. if they are happy, that’s what matters!


 
fritzthebootlegger

God is NOT a homophobe. That would imply God fears something. He fears nothing. He’s like Jack Bauer.


 

That actually explains a lot.


 
fritzthebootlegger

Westy, is it any worse than when a hetero couple is sucking one another’s face off? You just ignore them, or invite them to get a room.


 

Wait, maybe He’s more like Chuck Norris than Jack Bauer.


 

Two people that enjoy each other, love each other. What does it matter whether it is two males, two females or one male and one female?
What does it matter whether it is by choice or not?
(If you must know, yes, I think it is biological.)

You know what I think is the best part of a gay guy? I can have him as one of my bestest friends and never have to worry about it going past friendship! My best friend at work is gay, we have never talked about him being gay and we have been very good friends for over two years. For that matter I have never spoken to him about me being straight. It is just a non-issue with me/us.


 

of course its a choice just like cerebral ben laden’s choice to be a right wing fanatic, just like breathing is a choice, but only if you want to live and then well that’s a choice too, or like eating, who says you have to eat, I mean it’s totally optional if I want to starve or not


 

Justfly, Gay guys do make awesome friends.

Hi, Antic!


 

I don’t know why it is such a big issue. I don’t care which you are, I don’t want to watch. Go get a room. I don’t know why it has to be a big moral issue. Regardless of which way you lean so long as you leave me alone. I don’t have a problem. I only have a problem with someone who pushes themselves on me, and it doesn’t really matter which way they lean. If I wanted a someone I would let them know. If they didn’t want me I would walk away. Simple if you ask me. In other words tend too your own knitting.


 

“Some might choose it simply to reject the beliefs that society projects on them, sticking to the man so to speak.”

Pun intended here?


 

Not a choice. Why would someone marry, raise a family, develop a career, then decide after 30+ years leave it all to be true to who they are?


 

First, great responses all of you. Second, in his blog CB said he agreed that gays should be allowed in the military, he’s not against them, though they apparently disgust him. This is simply a question of is learned behavior or innate.
Ben, I have to say though, that they can choose not to do homosexual acts, but if they’re attracted primarily to people of the same sex, then they’re still gay.
Also, it’s Leviticus that has the most direct reference to homosexuality, not Exodus, but I get the point you were making there.


 

I agree and if you’re secure in your own sexuality then someone else being gay shouldn’t be an issue.

Just sayin…


 

Kona, re: Not a choice. Why would someone marry, raise a family, develop a career, then decide after 30+ years leave it all to be true to who they are?
Thank God that never happens to hetersexual marriages…oh wait a minute it does!!!!


 

I meant that marriages break up for hetersexual reasons also. It is not as if hetersexuals never give it up for another hetersexual relationship to be true to themselves.


 

just, that’s what knoa was saying. I guy in hetero marriage leaves his family because he can’t pretend he’s not gay any longer.


 

From personal experience I can say, that it’s something a person is born with.
I grew up in a conservative, christian home. On an island where being gay is not something you tell anyone, if you want to have friends and not be talked about constantly.
I didn’t even know what it was and yet when my hormones kicked in when I was 15, I knew I liked girls.

Luckily now I live somewhere where I’m not treated differently. I’ve also served in the Army, and know many others who have to hide that part of their lives because they are in the military.


 

it’s only an issue, because some want to ‘rule all’ that the rest of us are allowed to do or not do…..oh wait, that sounds just like all government and religion.

most of us were raised that it’s wrong….because someone a long long time ago wrote a book with their interpretation of rules.

The thing that is wrong is someone forcing themselves onto another that has said no.

I don’t expect any of you to think like I do, or like what I like….right?


 

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